midnightAI
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So it has a non optical disc drive? Weird
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GameStop CEO Says Disc Drives Should Be Required On Game Consoles
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Magic Carpet
Gold Member
If optical discs can have multi-TB of capacity, then maybe a tiny disk can have a hundred GB and fit in the Switch 2.
Switch would not be the same with a disc drive
Nintendo can still charge the super high Nintendo price for the tiny disk.
Solidus_T
Banned
That is literally what an SD card is. It's a storage drive (disc) that does not read using a laser.
SD means Secure Digital, but the abbreviation was previously used to called it "Super density disc" or something like that. It's been a while but you get the idea.
midnightAI
Member
When was an SD card ever called a disc? Honestly curious, because it isn't a disc whether digital or otherwise and I have never heard it ever being called one.
But basically I was being sarcastic, the assumption that a disc drive must exist is being talked about in this sense because of used games and for that you need physical media, he was leaving out (most likely unintentionally) the Switch by making the statement they must have a disc drive as that simply doesn't have one (neither do most handhelds other than PSP)
Solidus_T
Banned
Yeah of course he would even unintentionally leave out the Switch, since people still buy and sell physical media for it all the time. It's pretty funny how Cohen is basically defending his source of income while ironically advocating for physical media. We all know what is really behind his "big win for consumers" posturing, even if it is a big win.
But yeah any form of storage media is referred to as a disc. Mount it to your computer with any operating system, and it will refer to it this way. This is one of those computer science factoids that goes back to the beginning of computers. Interestingly, most OS's will use "Disk" with a K, even for flash storage or compact SD cards, which properly refers to magnetic drives, vs disc with a C which is more general for any storage media upon mounting.
midnightAI
Member
I mean, I may have heard it being referred to as a disc(k) drive long ago when they were new because, well, solid state drives were new. But I've always known them as Drives. Disc(k) infers it's shape, Compact Disc, Hard Disk Drive, Laser Disc, Digital Versatile Disc, Blue Ray Disc, Floppy Disk, Zip Disk etc. all disc(k) shaped.
ZoukGalaxy
Member
Edgelord79
Gold Member
Disk drives shouldn’t be mandatory. That’s ridiculous.
However, if they get removed though, companies should be made to honour the license that comes with the disk for digital conversion.
However, if they get removed though, companies should be made to honour the license that comes with the disk for digital conversion.
Shake Your Rump
Member
When Sony released the PS4 Uncharted console bundle, GameStop’s console boxes had the actual disc inside. Every other store only had a download code. It was glorious.
HoofHearted
Member
Wrong - There are significantly better ways to provide consumers access to their "owned" games and media outside of continued reliance on an aging medium that promotes extensive waste to our environment...
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
Let me guess all the server farms used as content network delivery for MS, Sony, Nintendo, Steam, Epic have no carbon expenditure?I also wonder from which war-torn countries the rare metals used in the manufacture of these servers are sourced from? Yeah, sure, physical media promotes extensive waste to our environment, but huge data-centers that consume as much power as small sized towns are perfectly environmentally friendly.
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charles8771
Member
Well it not 2011, where gamers brought physical games on consoles
And digital sales were a very small minority
And digital sales were a very small minority
TheGodfather07
Member
There should always be an option for a disc drive, yes. Nothing wrong with a digital only console for those that dont care about discs anymore but there should always give us the option. Not everyone wants to be stuck paying ridiculous digital prices. Some people might want to buy games cheaper, or share with a relative or friend, or have the option to sell or trade instead of being stuck with a digital copy they'll never do anything with. There's nothing good in less options. So if they ever tried taking away options, we should make noise about it so they know its unacceptable and we won't be having it.
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DemonGamerTTT
Member
Just like they are required on Pc right?
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Right!?
See how pc gaming crumbled after the removal of phisical disk readers?
Oh wait.
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Right!?
See how pc gaming crumbled after the removal of phisical disk readers?
Oh wait.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Funcoland was the shit. I used to like stepping in to grab their “newspaper” with all the used game prices on it.
ShadyAcshuns
Member
I hate discs. Give us cartridges!
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
ResetEraVetVIP
Member
It’s a herd mentality with these normies. They don’t understand preservation of gaming and that download servers won’t always be around.
ResetEraVetVIP
Member
And? You’re against choice and preservation of gaming? Why be anti consumer? No used games. No trading In games, no letting your friend borrow a game, no trading games with friends, what happens if download servers die in the future. No resell value..
Gabe says hello.
We haven't had physical games on pc in eons.
And newsflash to the Gamestop CEO, physical game sales have gone way down despite all 3 consoles still offering discs/carts.
ResetEraVetVIP
Member
And??
And what? I didn't say I was against anything. Why be anti-social?
Reality is consoles have largely gone digital despite consumer choice. Deal with it!
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Winter John
Member
Tigers say deer should be kept in tiger reserve
ResetEraVetVIP
Member
So what was the point of your post?
YOu'd have to read it first. Do you want me to copy and paste here or can you go back and read it?
After you're done reading it then let me know what part you don't understand.
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ResetEraVetVIP
Member
Yes explain.
What don't you understand? The GIF tease? Pcgaming not having physical for eons? Physical console game sales dropping significantly over the years despite consumer choice?
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ResetEraVetVIP
Member
You disagree with the GameStop CEO?
March Climber
Member
Moments like this should be seen a gigantic, massive red button death flag for physical games. Whenever you have the out of touch company advocating for something and you find yourself agreeing, both you and that company will be just as blindsided as blockbuster and blackberry, in a decade’s time.
ResetEraVetVIP
Member
We need physical media. Period.
ON forcing companies to use a certain media format? I would disagree with that.
kiphalfton
Member
GameStop as a business has somehow gotten worse since he came on board. To a lot of you, I'm sure you would be like "is that even possible", but it didn't used to suck that bad before COVID. LOTS of deals on pre-owned games (i.e. B2G2, 50% off, etc.).
So fuck that dude.
So fuck that dude.
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ResetEraVetVIP
Member
Why?
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BEcause there is no reason to. The customer is choosing digital despite having the choice of physical. Physical is losing out in the market place.
We only have digital in pcgaming and have had only digital for 10+ years and the world didn't end.
charles8771
Member
Physical games didn't had advantages over digital after 7th gen
If games were designed to run from the disc, it would been great but unfortunately optical discs were designed for movies, not for gaming
God of War III needs no HDD install
Sony Santa Monica has revealed that God of War III will not require installation before play.
www.eurogamer.net
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
And that means in the long run it’ll be even more inconvenient and not feasible to play current gen physical games in the future.
just sail the high sea if the retro games ain’t feasible to buy and play physically or digitally by then. For a price of a Rule of Rose physical disc now, you can easily buy a laptop or even multiple retro emulation handheld to play countless retro game roms.
Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
So many of these games are leaning towards always online even for single player. So no, fuck your physical media hard on .
Embrace digital.
If I wanted to get into the console space though I would make a console that is physical only and the requirement for a game to be on it would be it’s available to play on that device until the end of time. That way it would cater to specific die hards to have a place to gather.
Embrace digital.
If I wanted to get into the console space though I would make a console that is physical only and the requirement for a game to be on it would be it’s available to play on that device until the end of time. That way it would cater to specific die hards to have a place to gather.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
If its stays at 60% physical - 40% digital split then maybe you have a chance for a fight.
But a 28% physical - 72% digital split? Its too late man.
Its not a secret that retail shops are struggling to sell enough physical games to sustain the rental cost right now.
March Climber
Member
I’m not against it. I just worry that history will not be on your side.
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
Sony should give everyone access to a private torrent tracker.
If you really care having access to old or obscure media nothing beats piracy in my experience.
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0neAnd0nly
Member
Not really the same thing.
PC doesn’t have *one* forced store front to force a monopoly.
Console absolutely DOES. Each manufacturer offers their store only, without physical competition there is extreme danger to consumers with prices and/or sales.
Sorcerer
Member
For me there I remember some of the games on that glorious list, but then when you went to the counter to inquire about the game it was always, "Nope, don't have it".
I came to believe the list was just an alphabetical listing of known games and not relevant to stock on hand.
Oddly, when I ordered games through a phone call to the company, the list was totally on the money.
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HoofHearted
Member
Eh - Ok… sure… let’s shut it all down then? As that’s the only viable solution to completely mitigate the impact…Let me guess all the server farms used as content network delivery for MS, Sony, Nintendo, Steam, Epic have no carbon expenditure?I also wonder from which war-torn countries the rare metals used in the manufacture of these servers are sourced from? Yeah, sure, physical media promotes extensive waste to our environment, but huge data-centers that consume as much power as small sized towns are perfectly environmentally friendly.
But that wasn’t my point to my response to the GS CEO statement.
My point? When was the last time you installed a new game from a disc that you “own” that didn’t require a day one patch? Heck - when was the last time you were able to install a new game that actually installed everything from the disc that didn’t require an Internet connection? For me it’s be a very long time…
The only reason he made that statement is because of the impact to GameStop’s core business model - and that model is inherently flawed because it’s directly attached to an aging medium… they will need to pivot sooner than later…
I agree with him that consumers need to have choices and options with respect to purchasing and accessing their media content … but there are significantly better ways to do that without a continued dependency on constrained hardware/medium…
If he wants to jump on the consumer bandwagon, then he should actually lead and advocate core changes in the industry that is truly on behalf of the consumer instead of a half hearted attempt to protect the interests specific to his company…
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Rhazer Fusion
Member
He’s most definitely right.
Nok Su Kow
Member
I agree completely, probably not for the same reasons as this guy