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Gamers Nexus - The Problem with Linus Tech Tips: Accuracy, Ethics, & Responsibility

Thyuda

Thyuda

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Topher said:
LTT "live stream" for today is........a recording.

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They have been doing this for a while now, nothing new. It's just... kinda there.
 
Soltype

Soltype

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DemonGamerTTT said:
Dude what are you talking about with all those hypotheticals? STOP.

I just stated that in a normal setting, firing is a gigantic red flag for the manger as it's perfect proof of incompetence, a good manager would filter before hire, train while hired, reinforce and check behaviors constantly until the end of the employment process.

I don't know if that guy was a alien(see? dumb hypotheticals are dumb) but guess what? That doesn't matter as what I'm trying to state is what a responsible business should do in order to avoid those type of situations, firing people don't prevent mistakes it just waste company money.

You're doing mental gymnastics to try to justify an incompetent manager mindset. Just think for one fucking second, if the guy was a bad fit he should not be hired on the company, if the guy was unstable or if he's behavior on camera was not known he shouldn't be allowed to be on camera. Saying that a MANAGER can't predict the basic behavior of it's employees is plain stupidity as THIS IS HIS FUCKING JOB.




PS: maybe you are not intelligent enough to understand but I'm not saying that companies shouldn't fire people... I'm explaining what firing people means.
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You're giving hypotheticals as well, you're assuming a lot. You're saying he should not have been on camera because they potentially how he would respond, that's a true statement but it doesn't absolve him of his actions. It can absolutely be a dumb idea to put someone on camera who they don't know about but it's also dumb of him to act a certain way. Once again I've seen plenty of people who are bad fits for companies who lied and pretended to be normal people and were then hired, it happens all the time, you can fake soft skills.What you're saying makes no sense, people are not binary, and for you to think that you can mitigate human variability through proper management is crazy. You could do everything right and still get an undesirable result, nothing dealing with people is exact.
 
skneogaf

skneogaf

Member
I used to really enjoy linus tech tips but far to much content and it just isn't accurate to use.

I watch others for actual usable information.
 
Rentahamster

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
As a regular watcher of both channels, what strikes me as odd about this situation is that only 10 days ago on the WAN show, Linus himself was musing on how to better identify errors in LMG's writing workflow. Steve basically does his job for him, and Linus gets upset.

"I wish we could have better fact checking on our videos!"

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peish

peish

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Buggy Loop said:
Igor's findings, or lack of it actually since he never replicated the problem, have nothing to do with the connector revision. Steve's findings (and likely Nvidia also found it before anyway), correlates directly to the connector revision : If users do not connect the cable correctly, the pins still sense that it was seated and tell the PSU to send power anyway, creating the problem we all saw. Offsetting the 4 sensor pins means that if the 12-pin is not seated properly, PSU doesn't send power.

Tada!

Nothing related to Igor. Not even sure how that's not clear.
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Igor disagrees, he got mud slung by steve. t

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DemonGamerTTT

DemonGamerTTT

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Soltype said:
You're giving hypotheticals as well, you're assuming a lot. You're saying he should not have been on camera because they potentially how he would respond, that's a true statement but it doesn't absolve him of his actions. It can absolutely be a dumb idea to put someone on camera who they don't know about but it's also dumb of him to act a certain way. Once again I've seen plenty of people who are bad fits for companies who lied and pretended to be normal people and were then hired, it happens all the time, you can fake soft skills.What you're saying makes no sense, people are not binary, and for you to think that you can mitigate human variability through proper management is crazy. You could do everything right and still get an undesirable result, nothing dealing with people is exact.
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That's exactly what an incompetent, unskilled, leech manager who lied to another incompetent manager at the interview would say.

Hiring people is very studied and developed process and it has methodologies and practices, managing people is also has methodologies and practices.

Don't know how to properly apply those process and harness value of the available tools? As our fellow souls bros say "competence issue".
 
Buggy Loop

Buggy Loop

Member
peish said:
Igor disagrees, he got mud slung by steve. t

www.igorslab.de

The 12VHPWR connection finally gets an explicit recommendation for plug contacts in the standardization | igor´sLAB

It was long overdue, but is now finally official. In revision 2.01 of the ATX version 3.0 (Multi Rail Desktop Platform Power Supply) from February 2023, Intel has finally had the design of the…
www.igorslab.de www.igorslab.de
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Still nothing about the pins is even remotely close to the bigger revision, that the sensor pins do not make contact if connector is seated 100% in. Only Gamers Nexus found that.

Igor‘s out of his mind. He never replicated the problem.
 
DeVeAn

DeVeAn

Member
I enjoyed Linus’ videos when he worked at that retailer. Then he pumped out so many videos that I felt no human could possibly manage. He obviously loves money more then making quality stuff at this point.
 
Strangle

Strangle

Neo Member
Brigandier said:
How dare he take his job of reviewing and giving honest and fair opinions on very expensive products that people in the same hobby might buy very seriously.....

It might just be computer parts to you but many people want in depth information and many viewers of GN definitely want his "anal stupidly overcomplicated depth" as you put it.

But that aside you clearly didn't watch the video, he says that Forspoken is shit half way in the video.
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I mean, I don’t really care either way because these channels are just entertainment to me and not anything overly serious …. But

At some point, the dude who is playing video games on his computer and feeling pretty good about himself that he has the flattest CPU is kind of just fetishizing his tech habit.

I mean, most people just don’t care this much about thermals, and nor should they. It’s not really that important.

But at the same time, if you want to turn your neurosis towards fetishizing thermals of computer parts, who am I to stop you?

That’s just not what dills my pickle
 
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damidu

Member
Nvzman said:
If that's really what you get out of Gamers Nexus, I think Cocomelon is a better fit for you, much less brain power required to understand anything.

GN is legit as fuck, probably the most detailed testing on any computer hardware on the internet. Anyone arguing Steve has an agenda to push on anything is a fucking moron, full stop. His entire channel is as neutral as it gets.
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wow big brain, straight to kindergarten insults, really?!
i guess screwdrivers and torn plastic must be exciting you, but calm down.
go sit on a thermal paste or something.
 
Thabass

Thabass

Member
I knew something screwy was going on with that channel. I feel like all the videos I get are just his videos and no one else's. That's obviously because he has the algorithm and now with Linus, but something about his videos just didn't see...in-depth than all the other ones. I felt like that his videos were always kind of thrown together quickly. I didn't think much of it because maybe they were just good at doing content on a consistent basis. Now I know why.

I unsubbed from his channel upon watching the Gamer Nexus videos and immediately subscribed to GN. Not saying the GN is better, but I feel like they take tech more seriously than LMG and they are more entertainers. GN, I feel do not have that type of content, they actually care about tech and put in the hours to be as descriptive as possible about their content.
 
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Soltype

Soltype

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DemonGamerTTT said:
That's exactly what an incompetent, unskilled, leech manager who lied to another incompetent manager at the interview would say.

Hiring people is very studied and developed process and it has methodologies and practices, managing people is also has methodologies and practices.

Don't know how to properly apply those process and harness value of the available tools? As our fellow souls bros say "competence issue".
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Are you saying that something on earth dealing with people is completely foolproof?
 
newtypepilot

newtypepilot

Member
At this point, if you still say GN is doing this for drama, you are just willfully ignorant and detached from reality, ignoring the real issues that is affecting LMG. If anything, Linus started this "drama" in the first place by indirectly calling out GN and HU.

Just the treatment of Billet Labs and his response afterwards is more than enough cause for concern that Linus is harming his own company. He can't continue to double down playing the victim card. This isn't his first time making tone deaf responses either. Just look at the backpack "trust me bro" fiasco.

LMG is built around Linus being the brand image and spokesperson, but if he can't stop running his foot into his mouth, we may just see the downfall of LMG.
 
Fbh

Fbh

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DeVeAn said:
I enjoyed Linus’ videos when he worked at that retailer. Then he pumped out so many videos that I felt no human could possibly manage. He obviously loves money more then making quality stuff at this point.
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I've watched and enjoyed some of his stuff in the past and never quite got the hype.
But this "controversy" had me check out his channel and it's hardly even a tech review channel, most of the videos just seem like Watchmojo tier clickbaity stuff: " We tried 10 consoles from Aliexpress", "I bought this gadget I saw on a Facebook ad", "random employee gets $5K from a sponsor to buy stuff".
 
DemonGamerTTT

DemonGamerTTT

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Soltype said:
Are you saying that something on earth dealing with people is completely foolproof?
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I'm saying that proper professionals can handle people just fine.

I've already stated how all of that could have been E A S I L Y prevented, it's not "rocket science". There are people that are incapable of doing somethings, the reasons may vary but generally is lack of physical/mental capability, lack of proper study/training or cheer just laziness and spite or even a combination of those.


The reason managers earn more it's not because they are some kind of nobility, it's because THEY ARE PAYD TO HANDLE/PREVENT THOSE TYPE OF THINGS FROM HAPPENING, but unfortunately incompetence and laziness cost LMG dearly.
 
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jcorb

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Wow, that was actually a whole lot crazier than I was expecting. Linus really seems like a massive prick. I feel like I'd heard rumors that he was, but I guess it's easy to buy into the persona and I always gave him the benefit of the doubt.

That whole situation seems fucked.
 
names are for friends

names are for friends

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wrt LTT and Linus I think the biggest issue is when you have no choice but to believe they're being deliberately disingenuous. It was true IMO with the initial response to their incredible blunder over Billet Labs' cooler – OBVIOUSLY results gained without the proper fit using unsupported hardware are invalid – but when there's a pattern of that behaviour they lose the ability to even claim it was a rash, 'heat of the moment' statement; it begins to appear pathological.

I don't hate LTT at all, to be clear. Their biggest strength, from my perspective, is that on any given day you can flip over to their channel and almost certainly see a new, entertaining video; that constant presence builds a connection with people. That's fine, but you also can't be a serious journalistic outlet unless you separate those two pipelines because, necessarily, journalism does not take a predetermined packet of time and can't be synthesised with the daily schedule.

As for the Billet theft, I haven't seen proof but I doubt GN would report on it in such unambiguous terms if they hadn't corroborated the info. Obviously if LTT stole that prototype that's scummy, and I wonder if Steve's speculation could be true – could a Linus-connected manufacturer have bought and cloned that prototype, perhaps in collaboration with LTT?
 
cinnamonandgravy

cinnamonandgravy

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have never watched linus.

seen a few GN videos and they arent bad, but i personally dont care for performance reviews in video format.
seems like a guy who enjoys the nitty gritty details though, which is great.
 
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chonga

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Fbh said:
I've watched and enjoyed some of his stuff in the past and never quite got the hype.
But this "controversy" had me check out his channel and it's hardly even a tech review channel, most of the videos just seem like Watchmojo tier clickbaity stuff: " We tried 10 consoles from Aliexpress", "I bought this gadget I saw on a Facebook ad", "random employee gets $5K from a sponsor to buy stuff".
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That's essentially what it turned into, yes.

Many off-shoot channels that are low-hanging fruit type videos that are there to get enough views that might not break viewing records but bring in more dollars than they cost to make. Make as many as you can, et voila. Money in the bank.

They/he decided at some point that actually there is a market for videos that go deeper into the numbers and how things perform etc. Channels like GN have grown well in recent times.

These are harder videos to make, more time investment is required, but it seems they just applied the same video making processes and churned stuff out quickly instead.
 
Soltype

Soltype

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DemonGamerTTT said:
I'm saying that proper professionals can handle people just fine.

I've already stated how all of that could have been E A S I L Y prevented, it's not "rocket science". There are people that are incapable of doing somethings, the reasons may vary but generally is lack of physical/mental capability, lack of proper study/training or cheer just laziness and spite or even a combination of those.


The reason managers earn more it's not because they are some kind of nobility, it's because THEY ARE PAYD TO HANDLE/PREVENT THOSE TYPE OF THINGS FROM HAPPENING, but unfortunately incompetence and laziness cost LMG dearly.
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But what if they did do their due diligence, and the guy cracked? Are you saying it's not a possibility. I understand you have ideals, but in the real world everything is fallible, if you're saying otherwise then you're being disingenuous .
 
Dural

Dural

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Fbh said:
I've watched and enjoyed some of his stuff in the past and never quite got the hype.
But this "controversy" had me check out his channel and it's hardly even a tech review channel, most of the videos just seem like Watchmojo tier clickbaity stuff: " We tried 10 consoles from Aliexpress", "I bought this gadget I saw on a Facebook ad", "random employee gets $5K from a sponsor to buy stuff".
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Those are the videos I watch LTT for, lol. I've never used them for reviews, I mean everything they have is given to them by the manufacturer, how can you trust that they're impartial when they're being paid to review it?
 
nikos

nikos

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Always found Linus to be insufferable, from the very beginning, so I never watched him. You'd have to be an idiot to take any of their reviews seriously considering how large they have become. Also, they're fucking Canadian.

Steve bitches about manufacturers way too much, probably to win people over, but it's to the point that it seems like he's biting the hand that feeds him. I don't respect that but I do respect him calling these clowns out and I'd trust his opinion about anything tech related over anybody's at LTT.

Everything I've seen from Hardware Unboxed has seemed ok to me, no issues with them.
 
DeVeAn

DeVeAn

Member
Fbh said:
I've watched and enjoyed some of his stuff in the past and never quite got the hype.
But this "controversy" had me check out his channel and it's hardly even a tech review channel, most of the videos just seem like Watchmojo tier clickbaity stuff: " We tried 10 consoles from Aliexpress", "I bought this gadget I saw on a Facebook ad", "random employee gets $5K from a sponsor to buy stuff".
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Yeah I used his videos to help me understand how to build a PC way back. Now it’s how you say clickbait.
 
newtypepilot

newtypepilot

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Statement from Billet Labs



You, the PC community, are amazing. We'd like to thank you for your support, it means more than you can imagine.
Steve at Gamers Nexus has publicly shown his integrity, at the huge risk of backlash, and we have nothing but respect for him for how he's handled himself, both publicly and when speaking directly to us.
...
Regarding LTT, we are simply going to state the relevant facts:
On 10th August, we were told by LTT via email that the block had been sold at auction. There was no apology.
We replied on 10th August within 30 minutes, telling LTT that this wasn't okay, and that this was a £XXXX prototype, and we asked if they planned to reimburse us at all.
We received no reply and no offer of payment until 2 hours after the Gamers Nexus video went live on 14th August, at which point Linus himself emailed us directly.
The exact monetary value of the prototype was offered as reimbursement. We have not received, nor have we asked for any other form of compensation.
...
About the future of Billet Labs: We don't plan to mourn our missing block, we're already hard at work making another one to use for PC case development, as well as other media and marketing opportunities. Yes it sucks that the prototype has gone, it's slowed us but has absolutely not stopped us. We have pre-orders for it, and plan to push ahead with our first production run as soon as we can.
We also have some exciting new products on our website that are available to buy now - we thank everyone who has bought them so far, and we can't wait to see what you do with them.
We're happy to answer any questions, but we won't be commenting on LTT or the specifics of the email exchanges – we're going to concentrate on making cool stuff, and innovative products (the Monoblock being just one of these).
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We hope LTT implements the necessary changes to stop a situation like this happening again.
Peace out ✌
Felix and Dean
Billet Labs
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UPDATE
For full transparency, Linus contacted us this evening saying it's likely he can get the block back from the buyer.
We have declined this offer, and asked for the previously agreed monetary value instead for the following reasons:
1) we have already spent a significant percentage of the value of the block in the last few days on replacement parts to build a new block, assuming we'd never see the original one again.
2) we do not know if the original block is still in good working condition, and how much money will be needed to fix it if it's not.
3) we don't know if any of the bespoke fittings are missing, each of these costs money to replace if they are.
4) LTT have had our 3090ti without using it for 9 weeks, so we have lost confidence that they will return items quickly.
5) LTT isn't currently in possession of the block, they've only said that they can get it back. We therefore don't know when we'd get it back, and time is of the essence.
6) LTT has confirmed that the block is with a private individual rather than a rival company, so lost IP is much less of an issue.
We wanted to state this publicly just in case anyone has any issues with the fact that the block has potentially been found, and we chose to take the money instead. We hope you understand our reasoning here. We can have our new block that we're currently making ready in the next couple of weeks, and we are sceptical that we would have the original block back in fully working condition in that amount of time – it would be a gamble at the very least.
Much love
Dean & Felix
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LMAO it's not just the waterblock. There's still the 3090ti sent to LMG that is still unaccounted for.
 
DonkeyPunchJr

DonkeyPunchJr

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newtypepilot said:
Statement from Billet Labs







LMAO it's not just the waterblock. There's still the 3090ti sent to LMG that is still unaccounted for.
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Wait… so not only did LMG test it with a 4090 instead of 3090 Ti, but Billet Labs actually SENT them a 3090 Ti to test it with? And LMG hasn’t returned that either?

LOL this keeps getting worse and worse.
 
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Garibaldi

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Sleepwalker said:
This is quite disgusting honestly lol, so he straight up lied in his forum response about reaching a compensation agreement.
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To play devil's advocate (I don't have a horse in this race, I actually think it's definitely a LTT faux pas overall), Linus doesn't actually say he'd agreed to compensation package WITH Billet. He says 'we have agreed to compensate Billet'. This could quite easily mean internally we as a comoany have agreed we need to compensate Billet. This still lines up with the timeline of LMG sending the compensation email to Billet after GN's video. They're a big company now, everything has to go through multiple authorisations before the final email to Billet
 
Celcius

Celcius

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Any chance they actually cancel the WAN show this week to hide from the issue?
 
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LiquidMetal14

LiquidMetal14

hide your water-based mammals
SantaC said:
Does anyone know if LTT lost subscribers?
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Why? Do you hope he loses money and can't pay his bills?

Let's just see how mad we can get!

Let's pray to the lard that they improve. The channels are already good and they speak for themselves despite the rant and petty nature of Steve. I love both channels.
 
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