But you can’t say “nobody cares” because of the “go woke, go broke” message the anti-woke jack off to. Last time I checked, the message wasn’t “go woke, go broke……..except all these exceptions (pulls out list”.
Also, last time I checked, Watchmen flat out used the Cold War, Green Lantern/Green Arrow flat out discusses racism against black people, Wonder Woman flat out talks about feminism, Black Panther talks about racism, etc. This isn’t “inspiration”, they’re flat out in the comic.
It wasn’t updated. Marvel and DC didn’t change. Instead, people who don’t know as much about these IPs as they think they do started complaining about “not politics in muh comics!”, and here we are.
Not really, or if it was it wasn't portrayed that way. Wonder woman wasn't going around saying: (a slice of contradictory terms from newspeak era: "f men, f the patriarchy, she/her rise up, sex work is real work, no tits and ass in video games, stop slut shaming you bigot, only fans is empowering, cardi b is a hero to little girls. ..reeeeee. "
Discussing history is not woke.
Woke is when you group your citizen neighbors as the "bad guys" or when you push agendas that cater to a micro-casm of society and wanting the 99% to support the delusion.
When you remove sexy from video games, when everything is identity politics and victim narratives that push for inclusion by exclusion. (pushing out some groups they call "oppressors" using the identity Olympics/prog stack, so others have special treatment. Advocating for de-platforming, and wrong speak. Equity instead of Equality.
As for feminism and wonder woman.
This sums it up nicely from 1989: Rejecting feminism. It was a different era, and a better one.
Notice this comic represents humans as a whole not groups of people via race, gender, etc.... The way it used to be.
I struggle to think of a setting where such a thing is explicitly incorrect. Why would the setting of Dragon Age be ‘the wrong one’ for touching on these concepts. Heck, if anything the pre DAV style was just as if not more appropriate considering how angled towards mature themes it is.
You're preaching to the choir. This shared opinion of ours is why you'll constantly see me advocating to take other established franchises and subvert the expectations of the core audience(in a good way) by putting in messages about modern social issues that weren't featured in previous games.
For example, I'll be really disappointed if the next Souls game doesn't at least touch on police brutality and the mistreatment of minorities. Seems like kind of a no brainer to include it given the mature theme. But honestly, it really doesn't need to be limited to mature games. Just imagine how good of a message it'd send and how ecstatic people in general would be if Nintendo showed off Mario's top scars in their next platformer. With just a tiny bit of consideration, stuff like this really can be included organically if developers want reach a wider audience without alienating current customers.
For example, I'll be really disappointed if the next Souls game doesn't at least touch on police brutality and the mistreatment of minorities. Seems like kind of a no brainer to include it given the mature theme. But honestly, it really doesn't need to be limited to mature games. Just imagine how good of a message it'd send and how ecstatic people in general would be if Nintendo showed off Mario's top scars in their next platformer. With just a tiny bit of consideration, stuff like this really can included organically if developers want reach a wider audience without alienating current customers.
Thanks to the visionary genius of Hidetaka Miyazaki, the modern-day Souls masterpiece, Elden Ring, masterfully addresses those contemporary audience sensibilities, teaching profound empathy for numerous oppressed and marginalized groups, such as the Albinurics, Omen, and Tarnished—all of whom embody the pain of societal rejection and the strength of perseverance. The narrative also seamlessly integrates queer themes, delving into gender fluidity through Marika and Radagon’s shared identity, and exploring Miquella’s complex, romantic relationship with their brother, directly challenging traditional family structures and defying heteronormative patriarchy, as highlighted in the pivotal questline of Ranni the Witch. Furthermore, the game highlights extensive disability empowerment through Malenia, an embodiment of peak combat prowess despite severe physical limitations.
There are a lot of signifiers of woke corruption. Some are subjective, of course, but others are more obvious.
The race of the cast is the last thing I care about. I was hyped for Idris Elba in Phantom Liberty. However, if the main character is a bipoc female, I think there's enough evidence to correlate it with woke infection of the game simply because of overuse. If she has any sex appeal at all, it's probably, not woke.
The biggest warning signs are:
If the cast of characters look like they've all been curated for their lack of sex appeal.
If there are body type 1 and body type 2 options.
The use of visual language attributed to woke culture, especially the color violet, being a dominant part of the palette.
The devs use social media to talk about politics or virtue signal.
You're preaching to the choir. This shared opinion of ours is why you'll constantly see me advocating to take other established franchises and subvert the expectations of the core audience(in a good way) by putting in messages about modern social issues that weren't featured in previous games.
For example, I'll be really disappointed if the next Souls game doesn't at least touch on police brutality and the mistreatment of minorities. Seems like kind of a no brainer to include it given the mature theme. But honestly, it really doesn't need to be limited to mature games. Just imagine how good of a message it'd send and how ecstatic people in general would be if Nintendo showed off Mario's top scars in their next platformer. With just a tiny bit of consideration, stuff like this really can included organically if developers want reach a wider audience without alienating current customers.
This is exactly why it’s hard to take anti-wokers at face value.
Did you remove the rest of my post to continue to runaway from your own position of Dragon Age not being the ‘correct’ setting to include gender non conforming people.
That would be whatever but you then go on to create a massive straw man, instead answering why Dragon Age isn’t the correct setting for including a non binary character.
Can you answer why while addressing what I brought up?
This is exactly why it’s hard to take anti-wokers at face value.
Did you remove the rest of my post to continue to runaway from your own position of Dragon Age not being the ‘correct’ setting to include gender non conforming people.
That would be whatever but you then go on to create a massive straw man, instead answering why Dragon Age isn’t the correct setting for including a non binary character.
Can you answer why while addressing what I brought up?
I'm all for including non binary characters, even in Dragon Age games.
However, the previous Dragon Age games did not lecture its audience about getting the wrong pronoun to educate about gender identity. Never before in the series was it used as a setting for this.
My strawman was a hyperbole to show that changing an IP to something unwanted by the established audience can demonstrate an improper setting because it's not what they're in the market for.
Include the trans characters, but get off the soap box and don't include the messaging.
I don't want to be lectured about American identity politics in a game about wizards and dragons. It ruins my escapism.
That's my arbitrary line. Hopefully yours is at least somewhere between that and Mario having top scars, but I'm not certain given that you're pro co-opting properties for activist reasons.
Not really, or if it was it wasn't portrayed that way. Wonder woman wasn't going around saying: (a slice of contradictory terms from newspeak era: "f men, f the patriarchy, she/her rise up, sex work is real work, no tits and ass in video games, stop slut shaming you bigot, only fans is empowering, cardi b is a hero to little girls. ..reeeeee. "
Discussing history is not woke.
Woke is when you group your citizen neighbors as the "bad guys" or when you push agendas that cater to a micro-casm of society and wanting the 99% to support the delusion.
When you remove sexy from video games, when everything is identity politics and victim narratives that push for inclusion by exclusion. (pushing out some groups they call "oppressors" using the identity Olympics/prog stack, so others have special treatment. Advocating for de-platforming, and wrong speak. Equity instead of Equality.
As for feminism and wonder woman.
This sums it up nicely from 1989: Rejecting feminism. It was a different era, and a better one.
Notice this comic represents humans as a whole not groups of people via race, gender, etc.... The way it used to be.
Again, we’re not looking at the overall history of comics. The original Wonder Woman creator was flat out a feminist. Many of her comics have pushed feminist ideals. Based on the actual definition.
belief in and advocacy of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes expressed especially through organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests… See the full definition
www.merriam-webster.com
Being a feminist does not automatically make one want men to have less equality and rights and so forth. It’s the same reason people roll their eyes when someone says, “All Lives Matter”, because advocating for fighting against racism against the black community does not mean any of us said ONLY black people matter, that was a leap in logic and obnoxiously distracts from where the focus should be. In the 90’s, when people had those Save the Whales posters up in their rooms, do you think any visitor who saw one of said posters ever responded with, “hey now,we should save ALL the animals.” No, because such an unnecessary statement should be met with, “no shit, Sherlock, this poster’s message does not contradict that.”
What you seem to be defining feminism by is the extremists of the ideology which is a slippery path.
Because I earlier in this thread linked a Youtuber, The Midnight Drop, who was attacked by another Youtuber called Ranting for Venegeance. Ranting for Vengeance initially called the new Absolute Batman comic “woke” due to Barbara Gordon being black, since this Absolute universe is a separate universe from the main DC Comics universe (and not even the first time she’s been black, there was the LEGO Batman movie, and if she appears in The Batman film continuity she will likely be black given her father is). Midnight Drop called this out wondering why anything with a black character is instantly labeled “woke” by some, and Ranting for Vengeance responded with objective racism saying things like, “maybe when your (black) people can stop looting and burning nations to the ground” and such.
So if we decide to just always equate an ideology with the extremists’ interpretation of said ideology, well, it’s not looking great for the anti-woke ideology based on the above.
But of course, that’s not fair. You can’t just dismiss an entire ideology based on the extremists unless the movement is FIRMLY rooted in genuine hateful ideas such as Neo-Nazis and such. Feminism, woke, anti-woke, conversations can’t be had if we just dismiss any entire movement or ideology based purely on the extremists. You can’t say one can’t be considered “woke” unless they are on the extremist side because people, like myself, who have simply advocated for diversity IN GENERAL and not attacked any one creator or such specifically are still frequently dismissed as “woke”.
And to get back to comics, Wonder Woman was ONE example. Watchmen is flat out political. While it doesn’t commit in certain areas, it does make specific political commentary if one pays attention. Rorschach’s childhood journal has him praise the US for using the atomic bombs in World War II, saying it was a good thing as it saved more lives than it cost in his eyes. However, as people who know the comic:
later on someone not affiliated with any government stops what was about to be a massive nuclear assault between the U.S. and Russia by launching an attack of their own on one city and making it look like it was an outside force. Rorschach refuses to accept this prevented far more deaths than it cost, showing zero open-mindedness to the idea. It exposes Rorschach as someone who justifies what his own country did in the argument of “the greater good”, but hypocritically is unable to accept someone else using those same methods if the cost comes from U.S. soil. Yes, it is using history for this story, but the book itself is making clear political commentary.
The Green Lantern/Green Arrow run from the 70’s is one of the most clear examples. Again, this book is considered a classic by most, it’s still popular enough to still get reprints, and it was NOT subtle in its political messaging.
Again, this comic is from the 1970’s. It is considered a classic by tons of comic fans. I first heard about it by watching the show Comic Book Men, and Kevin Smith talked about how great this run was. It’s still being reprinted to this day, in fact it just got or is about to get a new omnibus release. And it’s great, because while it does frequently and blatantly discuss real world political and social issues, it’s also a great road trip story with Hal and Oliver. And I never felt “attacked” by the comic, because the comic saying, “hey, there are some white people out there who are racist, and undermining people trying to expose said racism is not good” is accurate and is not some attack on all white people (especially since it’s Oliver, a white person, who’s frequently the one correcting Hal on his ignorance).
But if this comic was first released today? No one can sit here and tell me this wouldn’t be slapped with the “woke” label HARD.
