Support NeoGAF

[Days like these...]

The car is by Xiaomi and looks really nice. I had a Xiaomi 11 ultra phone a few years ago and it was really good hardware wise and in the camera department. If their cars are as good as their phones I'm pretty sure they're impressive. Hopefully Ford can take some "inspiration" from the Chinese and bring something similar to the market instead of these humongous SuVs and trucks

"We flew one from Shanghai to Chicago, and I've been driving it for six months now, and I don't want to give it up,"

The CEO of Ford says he's been driving a Xiaomi EV for the past 6 months and doesn't want to give it up

Ford CEO Jim Farley previously told a board member that China's auto industry was an "existential threat" after visiting the country in May.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[West Texas CEO]

As a fellow American CEO, I can tell you that we definitely view China as a threat.

 

[chromhound]

They got him by the balls

 

[Days like these...]

As a fellow American CEO, I can tell you that we definitely view China as a threat.

If you can't beat them ban them it's the American way. Something, something SECURITY THREAT and voila BANNEDED!!!

 

[poppabk]

The car is by Xiaomi and looks really nice. I had a Xiaomi 11 ultra phone a few years ago and it was really good hardware wise and in the camera department. If their cars are as good as their phones I'm pretty sure they're impressive. Hopefully Ford can take some "inspiration" from the Chinese and bring something similar to the market instead of these humongous SuVs and trucks

"We flew one from Shanghai to Chicago, and I've been driving it for six months now, and I don't want to give it up,"

The CEO of Ford says he's been driving a Xiaomi EV for the past 6 months and doesn't want to give it up

Ford CEO Jim Farley previously told a board member that China's auto industry was an "existential threat" after visiting the country in May.

www.businessinsider.com

Ford are out of the sedan business, that's why he feels comfortable shilling for a supposed competitor. I doubt he will bring this same energy for a Chinese electric pick-up.

 

[reinking]

Going to borrow this from another thread...

 

[jshackles]

As a fellow American CEO, I can tell you that we definitely view China as a threat.

I'm happy to see that the CEO of Dildo Archeology, Inc. posts here in GAF

 

[Days like these...]

Ford are out of the sedan business, that's why he feels comfortable shilling for a supposed competitor. I doubt he will bring this same energy for a Chinese electric pick-up.

I think he feels comfortable because Chinese cars aren't sold here. Not sure why he's praising them. Maybe a partnership in the future? I doubt the government would allow it.

 

[nush]

I think he feels comfortable because Chinese cars aren't sold here. Not sure why he's praising them.

$$$

 

[chromhound]

$$$

Probably blackmailed him

 

[nush]

Probably blackmailed him

Russia blackmails, China bribes.

 

[Days like these...]

Its a nice looking car despite the color

 

[Cyberpunkd]

If their cars are as good as their phones I'm pretty sure they're impressive.

Their cars are massively and illegally subsidized by their government in an effort to capture the market and bankrupt their competitors.

 

[Porcile]

Had a Huawei phone and that thing was a tank. Chinese tech is reliable. Which makes sense because if your Chinese tech breaks they can't spy on you anymore.

 

[Days like these...]

Had a Huawei phone and that thing was a tank. Chinese tech is reliable. Which makes sense because if your Chinese tech breaks they can't spy on you anymore.

I had several the idea that their stuff is trash persists but they're phones are quality through and through. Obviously can't speak to their cars but if their phones are any indication I'm sure they're quality too.

 

[nbcjr]

Had a Huawei phone and that thing was a tank. Chinese tech is reliable. Which makes sense because if your Chinese tech breaks they can't spy on you anymore.

Linus from ltt just tested the tri fold from Huawei and he loved the phone. Chinese really are ahead of the western counterparts.

I've rocked xiaomi phones for a long time, and now changed to another Chinese brand (one plus). Can't complain about it.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Obviously can't speak to their cars but if their phones are any indication I'm sure they're quality too.

As much as it pains me to admit...yeah:

Nine Chinese cars scored five stars in Euro NCAP in 2023

In 2023, Chinese automakers made their best to prove their relevance to European buyers, taking over Euro NCAP.

carnewschina.com

 

[nush]

Obviously can't speak to their cars

 

[Days like these...]

Linus from ltt just tested the tri fold from Huawei and he loved the phone. Chinese really are ahead of the western counterparts.

I've rocked xiaomi phones for a long time, and now changed to another Chinese brand (one plus). Can't complain about it.

I've had one Xiaomi, several Huawei and currently using a Vivo X100 pro. I am the unofficial photographer among friends, family and coworkers despite their Galaxies and Iphones they always ask me to take photos with my phone

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Going to borrow this from another thread...

Can’t believe how insecure y’all are about a thing that’s mainly just moving your shit around.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

Can’t believe how insecure y’all are about a thing that’s mainly just moving your shit around.

I can believe someone who says 'Y'all' likes electric cars

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

I can believe someone who says 'Y'all' likes electric cars

Cars have two wheels too many for my tastes. If you catch my drift

 

[Dr.Morris79]

Cars have two wheels too many for my tastes. If you catch my drift

I miss biking. Some of my best days they were

Even though it was never on roads.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

I miss biking. Some of my best days they were

Even though it was never on roads.

Dirt riding is best riding.

Unfortunately my country despite being one of the biggest user of bikes in the western world despises riders so touching anything but asphalt with your tire is a world of pain unless you own that piece of dirt. And sometimes even that is not allowed.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

Dirt riding is best riding.

Unfortunately my country despite being one of the biggest user of bikes in the western world despises riders so touching anything but asphalt with your tire is a world of pain unless you own that piece of dirt. And sometimes even that is not allowed.

What country are you in?

But mind you, I wouldn't say my riding days were exactly legal, although back then the police would just give you a clip round the ear and tell you to be a pain in the arse somewhere else. They confiscated a friend's bike once and gave it back the next day

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

What country are you in?

But mind you, I wouldn't say my riding days were exactly legal, although back then the police would just give you a clip round the ear and tell you to be a pain in the arse somewhere else. They confiscated a friend's bike once and gave it back the next day

I’m in Spain.

Restricted to trails clearly defined as such at least 4 metres wide (essentially dirt roads), flat “open land” (assuming it’s not privately owned or protected) and features like firebreaks.

Max speed is 40km/h (about 25 miles) and same requirements as if on public roads regarding bike legality, paperwork etc (2 stroke thumpers forbidden).

Also the amount of riders in the group is limited, to as little as 3 in many parts of Spain. Some additional requirements and restrictions depending on region.

Fines are very real, as much as 30k € - if you are the front rider of a group bigger than allowed you’ll get 6k €.

 

[SaintALia]

I think he feels comfortable because Chinese cars aren't sold here. Not sure why he's praising them. Maybe a partnership in the future? I doubt the government would allow it.

He definitely would not be slagging them off. Ford set up a couple plants in China years ago, and have been continually adding more, don't know how many they have now, but their new battery plant will be in China within the next few years, or maybe they built it already.

But yeah, first rule of setting up shop in China, you don't talk bad about China(or industries or companies close to it's 'interests'). Doing so will net you a swift kick where the sun don't shine if you're doing business there. You kowtow and keep doing your business.

The US and EU will keep blocking Chinese cars as long as they can anyway(or at least setting up sufficient hurdles), so it won't be a that much of a big deal to them.

 

[SaintALia]

Double post

 

[Dr.Morris79]

I’m in Spain.

Restricted to trails clearly defined as such at least 4 metres wide (essentially dirt roads), flat “open land” (assuming it’s not privately owned or protected) and features like firebreaks.

Max speed is 40km/h (about 25 miles) and same requirements as if on public roads regarding bike legality, paperwork etc (2 stroke thumpers forbidden).

Also the amount of riders in the group is limited, to as little as 3 in many parts of Spain. Some additional requirements and restrictions depending on region.

Fines are very real, as much as 30k € - if you are the front rider of a group bigger than allowed you’ll get 6k €.

Good god, it sounds almost as bad as the UK!

I remember going to certain parts of Spain in the mid 90's and it seemed like a free for all on biking. It was brilliant fun, that was around the time I was heavily into it all.

 

[jufonuk]

As a fellow American CEO, I can tell you that we definitely view China as a threat.

Do you view lunches the same way?

 

[AJUMP23]

I would assume like Chinese products it does not have great build quality. It is built to look nice but will not last a long time and will fall apart with use.

I have seen some Chinese suvs and they look great. But I don’t think they will last.


They will not come to the US because we would tax the competition out of them. But that is what they do to US cars anywhere else.

 

[EverydayBeast]

Electric cars does a lot of good.

 

[Kraz]

It's impressive how quickly China entered and scaled this market.

Ford simultaneously boosting an indirect competitor to weaken a direct one. A clever strategy that could really work if the product is actually good and weakens the direct competitor in that foreign market.
Also signals Ford is thinking of entering this segment domestically.

Ford as a company might be more reliable to fulfill obligations like building and maintaining charging networks with federal funding.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/inside-story-elon-musks-mass-firings-tesla-supercharger-staff-2024-05-15/

Two former Supercharger staffers called the $500 million expansion budget a significant reduction from what the team had planned for 2024 - but nonetheless a challenge requiring hundreds of employees. In an analysis provided to Reuters, San Francisco research firm EVAdoption estimated a $500 million investment this year would translate to Tesla building 77% fewer charging ports per month in the United States compared with the automaker’s pace through April.

 

[Donald mac Ronald]

I had a Xiaomi phone. It was okay. But full of intrusive adverts shit and 100% reports and sends data back to ccp. Fuck Chinese electronics.

 

[lachesis]

I visited China a couple weeks ago and rode some of their electric cars. They are indeed nice looking on surface - but I cannot vouch for reliability at all. So many horror stories. Unless they sort out quality control issues, I can’t invest my money on a thing where my life and safety are on the line.

 

[Days like these...]

I would assume

What Chinese product have you owned or is it sinophobia? I'll take Fords' Ceo praise and my personal experience over your assumptions

 

[AJUMP23]

What Chinese product have you owned or is it sinophobia? I'll take Fords' Ceo praise and my personal experience over your assumptions

I have many things from China that have broken quickly. I have also ordered from Chinese companies claiming to have and item and they do not send what is ordered.

I have a Chinese made electric scooter that I have had to make several repairs too.

 

[Blade2.0]

That's because the Chinese cars are amazing and China will surpass the USA in the next couple of decades.

 

[Days like these...]

It's impressive how quickly China entered and scaled this market.

Ford simultaneously boosting an indirect competitor to weaken a direct one. A clever strategy that could really work if the product is actually good and weakens the direct competitor in that foreign market.
Also signals Ford is thinking of entering this segment domestically.

Ford as a company might be more reliable to fulfill obligations like building and maintaining charging networks with federal funding.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/inside-story-elon-musks-mass-firings-tesla-supercharger-staff-2024-05-15/

Yeah I think they might get back into the sedan market with electric vehicles. If the Chinese can take inspiration from others Ford can from the Chinese.

 

[West Texas CEO]

Yeah I think they might get back into the sedan market with electric vehicles. If the Chinese can take inspiration from others Ford can from the Chinese.

What are you saying? I tink the Chinese can make better vehicles than Tesla.

You are assuming that Chinese products are jank and will be so forever.

Such is not the case. They are improving, unlike the Russian video game industry.

 

[Highway Star]

I’m in Spain.

Restricted to trails clearly defined as such at least 4 metres wide (essentially dirt roads), flat “open land” (assuming it’s not privately owned or protected) and features like firebreaks.

Max speed is 40km/h (about 25 miles) and same requirements as if on public roads regarding bike legality, paperwork etc (2 stroke thumpers forbidden).

Also the amount of riders in the group is limited, to as little as 3 in many parts of Spain. Some additional requirements and restrictions depending on region.

Fines are very real, as much as 30k € - if you are the front rider of a group bigger than allowed you’ll get 6k €.

That sucks.
I live in Vancouver, Canada.
So many back forest service roads, and trails to explore. I have a Suzuki DR650 setup for more off-road riding. We have hydro service roads that are gated off from public use. I just zip around the gates, go explore for hours with no one in site.

 

[BigDeadFreak]

All electric cars are shit.

 

[Highway Star]

What Chinese product have you owned or is it sinophobia? I'll take Fords' Ceo praise and my personal experience over your assumptions

Isn't every product today Chinese made?

 

[poppabk]

All electric cars are shit.

I have a Chevy Bolt EUV, which is pretty low end as far as EV's go, but it has been solid, is cheap to run, minimal maintenance, and is kinda fun to drive. What makes them shit?

 

[ForAcademicPurposes]

Can’t believe how insecure y’all are about a thing that’s mainly just moving your shit around.

 

[March Climber]

Spoiler

I had to

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

They look nice visually and I love the amount of electronics there. My father drives Denza N7 and it is really really nice and relatively cheap while offering a lot of luxurious things.

I would assume like Chinese products it does not have great build quality. It is built to look nice but will not last a long time and will fall apart with use.

they are quite good right now due to heavy competition in China. They have tens and tens of automakers there and they do not suffer from years of legacy that established automakers like Ford or Mercedes have so they are able to iterate fast. It is certainly not China from 90s anymore.

I don't know how other automakers are going to compete with the fact that chinese manufacturers need less employees and the pay is lower.

 

[Days like these...]

What are you saying? I tink the Chinese can make better vehicles than Tesla.

You are assuming that Chinese products are jank and will be so forever.

Such is not the case. They are improving, unlike the Russian video game industry.

I'm not assuming they're jank. I've been using Chinese phones from Huawei, Xiaomi and Vivo for about 5 years now. I know how good some of their Electronics can be.

 

[Haint]

American automakers in an actual free market would and should have been bankrupted decades ago. Paying highschool drop outs $150k/year to screw in bolts due to union racketeering is the stupidest shit on planet earth and is why an everyman entry level shit mobile presently costs $40,000. I welcome the Chinamen mobiles made in Mexico for $10,000

 

[Panajev2001a]

They look nice visually and I love the amount of electronics there. My father drives Denza N7 and it is really really nice and relatively cheap while offering a lot of luxurious things.


they are quite good right now due to heavy competition in China. They have tens and tens of automakers there and they do not suffer from years of legacy that established automakers like Ford or Mercedes have so they are able to iterate fast. It is certainly not China from 90s anymore.

I don't know how other automakers are going to compete with the fact that chinese manufacturers need less employees and the pay is lower.

One strong point for a lot of legacy companies in the west is the easy Sinophobia / nationalism as well as being able to convince that what is there is still the best that can be done or they have lost the will to prioritise it as a problem (think transportation cost for commuters and quality… not having fast and stable internet connection on train lines after all these years is not great).