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European Monthly Charts November 2023 | PS5 #1 +376% YOY, Switch #2 -35% YOY and Xbox series S/X #3 -26% YOY
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Thirty7ven
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
How long until their reports mainly focus on
VideoGameEnjoyer
Member
Xbox will be turning it around any moment now
I completely agree, they are turning the iceberg over themselves.
SimTourist
Member
It's gameover when Playstation starts to announce engagements as well.
How long until their reports mainly focus on
Bernoulli
M2 slut
sales don't matter
tommib
Gold Member
Let’s be honest, he has a point. Massive income coming from all the acquisitions. Hardware indeed doesn’t matter as much for Xbox. It still doesn’t contradict that the brand perception is sinking, fast.
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Thirty7ven
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Clowns that can’t read. MS’s main growth strategy going forward not being to increase their Xbox console user base doesn’t mean it’s ok to shrink it, but the idiot can’t put 2 and 2 together that without Xbox console maintaining high volume of GP subs then nothing else will.
When Xbox starts putting their new first party games on PlayStation then the idiot will be right.
Also if their 30% cut on third party shrinks enough, and there’s no GP growth then even the whole of ABK will only be papering over those cracks.
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Mr Moose
Member
MicroSoft ending console wars by not selling them.
Bernoulli
M2 slut
it does matter for gamepass subs and selling their exclusives, what's the point of exclusives if your console has very low market share
VideoGameEnjoyer
Member
Massive income from the acquisitions? Pretty sure it’s been the opposite so far.
MisterXDTV
Member
The funny thing is that they are making TWO consoles, not just one but we are supposed to believe they don't care if they sell or not...
Why are they making them, then?
MisterXDTV
Member
Yeah, let's forget the $80B they spent, all that matter is revenue... LOL
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Pelta88
Member
Activision generates 2 Billion per year in revenue. Microsoft purchased Activision for 67 Billion. Which means your math and projections doesn't make actual sense in reality.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Not just "spending the resources to produce" but also heavily subsidizing it with billions of dollars because they want to sell as many of these consoles as possible.Dring vs Piscatella
MrTired
Member
Not as important true, but still important. Even by Microsoft own admission in the Roadmap to 2030 the stated the consoles would be responsible for majority of the revenue and Gamepass subscribers.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
GamePass and streaming is on Samsung and LG TVs. Checkmate!
StereoVsn
Gold Member
The problem is that before acquisitions these companies used to sell on other consoles (minus CoD). Now that Xbox sales are tanking, revenue is primarily GamePass and Steam sales.
Starfield is a good example, by MS own estimates they missed out on $700mil revenue.
yazenov
Gold Member
Starfield is the "starting gun" for first-party Xbox games
Speaking at Gamescom, where the company has been showcasing the sci-fi RPG extensively, Xbox chief marketing officer Jerret West said the Bethesda game marks the start of a prolonged period of regular new Xbox exclusives. "This is, in my mind, the doorway, almost like a starting gun, to what I...
Speaking at Gamescom, where the company has been showcasing the sci-fi RPG extensively, Xbox chief marketing officer Jerret West said the Bethesda game marks the start of a prolonged period of regular new Xbox exclusives.
"This is, in my mind, the doorway, almost like a starting gun, to what I think is going to be a multi-year relay race of first-party titles," West told us.
"I was sitting there watching the same [Starfield presentation] you were this morning and I was like… this is really the start of something that's going to then lead to Forza, then in 2024 as we go to Hellblade, and we think about Towerborne which is on the show floor, we think about Avowed, and we've got stories we haven't told yet as well, that are going to unfurl in 2024 and 2025.”
Xbox has struggled for consistency with its first-party titles over the last 18 months. 2022 featured few exclusive releases, while its most notable game so far this year, Redfall, was reviewed poorly. However, the firm’s summer showcase in June was received positively from the media.
West continued: "This very much feels like the starting gun for this relay pass that's going to take place over the next couple of years. So as a marketer, I'm super excited about that. And then if you layer in also, Game Pass and the third party relationships that we have... Our third party support that rolls into Game Pass – but also is just on our platform – is critically important too. So I think we are entering a period where this is the beginning of something that's going to be really special over the course of the next several years."
Starfield is the "starting gun" for first-party Xbox games
The launch of Starfield is the start of a "multi-year relay race of first-party titles," Xbox has told GamesIndustry.bi…www.gamesindustry.biz
Bernoulli
M2 slut
Starfield is the "starting gun" for first-party Xbox games
Speaking at Gamescom, where the company has been showcasing the sci-fi RPG extensively, Xbox chief marketing officer Jerret West said the Bethesda game marks the start of a prolonged period of regular new Xbox exclusives. "This is, in my mind, the doorway, almost like a starting gun, to what I...www.neogaf.com
IF...IF....MS is launching their next gen console alot sooner, maybe these numbers make sense.
Because these are legit end of generation numbers.
I dont think its sunk in for some ppl that its doing worse than the XBO.....
I was meaning moving out inventory because the console brand is done. I dont believe they will have a traditional next gen.
Interfectum
Member
That's completely nonsensical.Dring vs Piscatella
If the console is removed from the equation, Xbox loses its significance. It would be reduced to a mere streaming service on devices like Samsung TVs and Meta Quests, or just another cumbersome application to run on a Steam-focused Gaming PC.
The sales of the console are fundamental; they are the bedrock upon which the brand's identity and growth are built.
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
MS has now bought two huge software publishers and will be releasing more AAA titles on Gamepass than they ever did. At the same time MS is also refusing to publish games for PS, thereby cutting off a revenue stream that was of utmost importance for both Bethesda and Activision Blizzard. That strategy is going to become a colossal money sink since MS seems unable to stop Xbox conoles sales from cratering and the number of Gamepass subscribers is hardly growing. With development costs going up steeply and stalling gamepass revenues, MS has an enormous problem on its hands, because at the moment the only way to increase game revenues is by selling their 1st party games on PS, too.
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VideoGameEnjoyer
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The not caring about console sales thing would be much more believable if Gamepass subscriber numbers were through the roof. Even being so available on so many devices, the needle does not seem to be moving.
Those of us who absolutely loved their 360's and ever since have just been looking at every move Xbox makes like:
It has been a fumbling of absolutely epic and embarrassing proportions. That's all there is to it. People acting like it is a good thing and everyone should be happy when this company, that hasn't put out a smash hit or made a smart business move in over a decade, buys up a bunch of massive publishers and IP, are the biggest clowns of all.
Those of us who absolutely loved their 360's and ever since have just been looking at every move Xbox makes like:
It has been a fumbling of absolutely epic and embarrassing proportions. That's all there is to it. People acting like it is a good thing and everyone should be happy when this company, that hasn't put out a smash hit or made a smart business move in over a decade, buys up a bunch of massive publishers and IP, are the biggest clowns of all.
aliadiere25
Member
Don't forget about the 7.5 billion on ZeniMax Media, and they spent 500m on Starfield's budget.
They're not getting their money back from those acquisitions any time soon. Honestly, questions have to be asked about Phil Spencer.
Shakka43
Member
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
Not true. Activision Blizzard, Inc's revenues in 2022 were $7,53 billion. Gross profit was $5,306 billion.
fallingdove
Member
Papua New Guinea — fastest selling Xbox of all time. Lol
Mownoc
Member
I'm amazed noone has bumped that thread yet. Those analysts sure are something.
Microsoft ‘clear winner’ in video game space this Black Friday with X Box Series X most in-demand hardware
Black Friday 2023 in the video game space differed from previous years as there was ample inventory of high-end consoles from Microsoft Corporation...
www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk
Horseganador
Member
With these sales estimates, Xbox is literally dead in Europe, 18:1 in favor of PS5.
yazenov
Gold Member
I'm amazed noone has bumped that thread yet. Those analysts sure are something.
Microsoft ‘clear winner’ in video game space this Black Friday with X Box Series X most in-demand hardware
Black Friday 2023 in the video game space differed from previous years as there was ample inventory of high-end consoles from Microsoft Corporation...www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk
Let me guess, Michael Pachter? This guy is a joke. Pulls info from his ass.
Pelta88
Member
I quoted a quarter which is my bad. There are a lot of acti files in the ether. On average, 2010 - 2020 gross profit was 3.5 Billion. Still a gargantuan way off from recouping the gargantuan overspend they admitted to in court.
Activision Blizzard, Inc Gross Profit 2010-2023 | ATVI
Activision Blizzard, Inc gross profit from 2010 to 2023. Gross profit can be defined as the profit a company makes after deducting the variable costs directly associated with making and selling its products or providing its services.
www.macrotrends.net
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Thirty7ven
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Xbox tax.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Bruh... I'm from Europe and I just a bought a Series X
My condolences.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
StealthGoblin
Banned
Outside of COD, I really think with the PlayStation platform outstripping their own internal projections for the gap between their platform and them, I think those big acquisitions and teams are on shakier ground.
They already freely admitted they wrote off $700,000,000 in revenue from PlayStation for Starfield, and we know that Gamepass isn't growing quick enough and has fallen below targets two years on the bounce. With the hardware basically irrelevant outside of the US and the UK (and still getting trounced there) then they are bleeding potential subs and each new PlayStation owner is not likely to be putting those 30% royalties in Microsoft's pocket.
If I'm a Bethesda team (who were already on shaky financial ground before the acquisition, with access to a large PS4/PS5 userbase) then unless they'll be getting eternal free passes from Microsoft, it becomes hard to hit the financial goals of games now unless those are hugely scaled back, and if that happens then budgets and jobs will be too.
PC is important, yes, but we know Gamepass PC is actually where the growth in subs came from, so it's increasingly less likely they'll make a full priced sale on that platform the more people buy that sub.
I really do think Xbox should take Sony's view. The Xbox teams make Xbox and PC games only, and the other publishers make hay on all platforms. If revenue and engagement are the name of the game for Microsoft then that is the best way forward.
Because cutting out playstation massively lowers revenue and increasingly looks like a worse decision for engagement.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Spot-on take. The average customer will wonder why a relatively new console is already selling at a heavily discounted price early on, and perceive there could be problems with that business. The could perceive that it's the company getting rid of stock at liquidated prices, just clearing out whatever's left before the product's taken off the market (and support ceases) altogether.
It's not an inspiring sign of confidence or long-term health for the product and can actually deter many people from buying it. Ironically I think the price increase for PS5 has made it even more valuable and desired among most people, not less. Of course there's a limit to that before it DOES make the product less desirable, but a slight increase in territories to deal with inflation isn't that limit.
Some people will continue to deny it, but the Series S was just a badly conceived product from the get-go. It only had brief relevance in a short period where there was global economic issues due to lockdowns. That isn't a sustainable environment to try getting console sales in, though, for obvious reasons.
If anything Project Keystone should've been the Series S; at least MS seem to agree with that now going by the leaks for the 'next-gen' Xbox hardware.
Flutta
Banned
LmaoDring vs Piscatella
magine having to explain something as simple as this. Also is Ding on MS payroll or what?
Don’t remember him being this delusional before.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
And yet they don't want to tell you that the PlayStation 5 was down 20% in the US, from 1.3 million units sold last november. That part kind of matters also. That's the full context.