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Digital Foundry: EA Sports WRC: PC/PS5/Xbox Series X/S - DF Tech Review - An Engine Change for Better or Worse?
- Thread starter adamsapple
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
- Moved to Unreal Engine 4 instead of the franchise's regular EGO Engine.
- Engine change raises ' big questions', with official response being that UE4 allows 'larger circuits'.
- No push to UE5 tech despite being a new-gen only game. The visual upgrade isn't always evident over previous games.
- No 120 fps option on consoles, only 60 FPS.
- The previous game Dirt Rally 2.0 ran at 4K locked 60 FPS on Series X, neither of which is the case with this latest game.
Visuals:
- New game has screen tearing, camera judder and DRS which can drop as low as 1080p on PS5/SX.
- Uneven camera movement judder even when frame rate shows locked 60 FPS
- Consoles don't have multiple modes, only single 2160p DRS on both PS5/SX.
- Series S targets 1440p with DRS lowest 720p
- All console versions target PC's "high" preset with Series S betweem Medium/Low.
- PS5 has sharper shadows on grounds, otherwise identical to Series X.
- Series S's lower settings are notable in side by side comparison. More image breakup, lower LoD, lower AO and reflections across car body.
- PC Max offers a decent number of upgrades over consoles. True native 4K, higher LoD, shadow resolution, superior AO and reflections with support for true 120hz.
Performance:
- Even with DRS, PS5/SX can drop to 50s with tearing with more consistent drops in town areas with crowds
- Series S holds the best performance of the three, with the least amount of drops (even though it's not locked 60 either)
- Dirt Rally 2.0 (2019) was more smoother and visually sharper by comparison.
- PC performance has been improved since launch with patches but shader comp stutter and drops are still present.
- Can see big drops when hitting a new shader for the first time.
- 4080 can run the game at native 4K/60 most of the time, DLSS can help fix any drops.
- Camera judder issue mentioned above is the most obvious on PC.
- The shader comp. stutters can cause loss in control and the cases are worse than any drops on console.
- Engine change raises ' big questions', with official response being that UE4 allows 'larger circuits'.
- No push to UE5 tech despite being a new-gen only game. The visual upgrade isn't always evident over previous games.
- No 120 fps option on consoles, only 60 FPS.
- The previous game Dirt Rally 2.0 ran at 4K locked 60 FPS on Series X, neither of which is the case with this latest game.
Visuals:
- New game has screen tearing, camera judder and DRS which can drop as low as 1080p on PS5/SX.
- Uneven camera movement judder even when frame rate shows locked 60 FPS
- Consoles don't have multiple modes, only single 2160p DRS on both PS5/SX.
- Series S targets 1440p with DRS lowest 720p
- All console versions target PC's "high" preset with Series S betweem Medium/Low.
- PS5 has sharper shadows on grounds, otherwise identical to Series X.
- Series S's lower settings are notable in side by side comparison. More image breakup, lower LoD, lower AO and reflections across car body.
- PC Max offers a decent number of upgrades over consoles. True native 4K, higher LoD, shadow resolution, superior AO and reflections with support for true 120hz.
Performance:
- Even with DRS, PS5/SX can drop to 50s with tearing with more consistent drops in town areas with crowds
- Series S holds the best performance of the three, with the least amount of drops (even though it's not locked 60 either)
- Dirt Rally 2.0 (2019) was more smoother and visually sharper by comparison.
- PC performance has been improved since launch with patches but shader comp stutter and drops are still present.
- Can see big drops when hitting a new shader for the first time.
- 4080 can run the game at native 4K/60 most of the time, DLSS can help fix any drops.
- Camera judder issue mentioned above is the most obvious on PC.
- The shader comp. stutters can cause loss in control and the cases are worse than any drops on console.
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My biggest disappointment of the year. I thought the WRC licence held by EA/Codemasters could have been better than it was with Milestone and the disappointment has been huge.
UE4 at its worst. Dirt rally 2.0 looks better and plays better. Only users with VRR TVs will be able to enjoy it in a decent way.
UE4 at its worst. Dirt rally 2.0 looks better and plays better. Only users with VRR TVs will be able to enjoy it in a decent way.
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Senua
Gold Member
FalconPunch
Gold Member
UE4 is legitimately trash and UE5 is not much better. Imagine changing from the Ego Engine to UE4 to give us a marginal improvement in visuals at the expense of image quality, performance and stability. We went from 4k & 120fps on the Ego engine to 1080p and sub 60fps with stuttering. No big physics improvements, just bigger stages. The Unreal Engine deal keeps getting worse and worse.
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Jibran#one
Member
Was so hyped for this , probably my biggest disappointment of the year , when I used the EA play trial on Xbox I swear I couldn't believe how shitty the frame rate , tearing and the stuttering was at launch.
I'm shocked they didn't delayed it or atleast fixed the stuttering before it was released
I'm shocked they didn't delayed it or atleast fixed the stuttering before it was released
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
They're not doing a side by side ..
It allows them to make bigger circuits, for what it's worth.
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What do you need to understand?? The game in all its versions (especially on PC) features all the flaws and shortcomings of UE in recent times. Optimization is miserable.
I expected a lot more from EA/Codemasters. When you see that the engine change has only been for the worse
EDIT: LOL I said UE5 instead of UE4... A lapsus
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Senua
Gold Member
It's UE4
Jibran#one
Member
If u see f1 23 which is on ego engine and this on ue4 u would feel they are a generation apart games in graphics fidelity , yes I know they wanted longer stages which was not possible on ego engine but my god did they fucked the franchise up
Mr.Phoenix
Member
Nope. They switched engines and made their game worse.
SEGAvangelist
Member
No PC vs PS5 comparison? Wow. DF really showing their bias as usual.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I dont follow WRC or game engines, but given what is said it seems UE made bigger courses, but at the cost of performance and visuals.
Well, that's basically the going rate for game studios. Doesnt matter if it's a racer, RPG, or open world, shooter map size or Battlefield MP player count..... Bigger is better!
Well, that's basically the going rate for game studios. Doesnt matter if it's a racer, RPG, or open world, shooter map size or Battlefield MP player count..... Bigger is better!
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true i edited I wanted to say "UE4 at it s worst", I was overcome by the subconscious.
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MadchesterManc
Member
Camera judder on PC? I don't get it. That or the 100+ fps is masking the judder, which I doubt as WRC Generations had it and 120fps didn't mask it at all.
Senua
Gold Member
What?
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
This has been a trend for 3 years. Why they keep supporting the PS5/SX when they're clearly keeping the Series S from achieving its full potential is beyond me.
drotahorror
Member
There is no improvement at all in visuals. There is a massive downgrade.
I can't find a good video but look at the comparisons of WRC vs DR2.0 in night time with rain.
The one with rain drops on the windshield and wet looking roads is DR2.0.
WRC barely has any wet looking surfaces, no mud, no puddles, the rain looks like complete shit, the rain on windscreen is complete ass, overall WRC looks like a PS3/360 game. Even worse in some aspects as atleast some racers from that gen had good weather effects.
The difference in visuals is further made in daytime settings. DR2.0 looks amazing during rainy conditions on muddy roads. WRC you can barely tell a difference between wet and dry in terms of visuals. DR2.0 also casted shadows at night with headlights. Trees, bushes, buildings etc cast shadows. Not the case with WRC, everything is flat and nothing will cast a shadow. I was quite shocked with how shit it looked considering it came nearly 5 years after 2.0. Fuck Unreal Engine.
Although it visually looks worse, it's a better game imo. I do get an odd stutter but nothing like some other games that have shader comp struggles. I also play around 100fps with a 3060ti and 6700k with mostly ultra graphics (crowds and reflections on low). It plays great and the stages are better. Shame that RBR from 20 years ago looks better sometimes when modded.
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Bojji
Member
I agree.
Until they add proper multi threading (maybe CDPR will help them) this engine can't be considered as "good" in my opinion.
Horseganador
Member
They seem the same except for the shadows that are better on PS5, the engine change has not suited the series well seeing the performance.
diffusionx
Gold Member
I feel like the entire industry has been hoodwinked by Epic with UE. UE4 sucks and UE5 is the biggest nothingburger I've seen in a long time.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The little monster that could.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
UE4 is incredible in the right hands and UE5 is even better.
UE4
This is Unreal Engine 5, fyi.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
pretty sure it was announced as UE4 title. they might have moved to UE5 since but they arent using any of the UE5 features like nanite or lumen.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
It was always a UE5 title before the new-gen consoles even came out
Senua’s Saga: Hellblade II built on Unreal Engine 5
Senua’s Saga: Hellblade II is being built on the May-announced Unreal Engine 5, publisher Microsoft confirmed in a news post summarizing everything that has been announced about Xbox Series X…
www.gematsu.com
Jun 10 2020
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
ok, i missed that but the game was revealed in december 2019 before ue5 was announced.It was always a UE5 title before the new-gen consoles even came out
Senua’s Saga: Hellblade II built on Unreal Engine 5
Senua’s Saga: Hellblade II is being built on the May-announced Unreal Engine 5, publisher Microsoft confirmed in a news post summarizing everything that has been announced about Xbox Series X…
Jun 10 2020
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
More geniuses not putting pre shader compilation.
What do you mean? If you look at the frame rate for each platform,the X dips lower in the same section as the PS5.
ChuckeRearmed
Member
So basically it runs like UE4.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The camera movement judder on all platforms looks like some jank-ass day 1 Jedi Fallen Order shit.
Mister Wolf
Member
Another developer who doesn't know how to use UE properly.
FalconPunch
Gold Member
If you like stutters while driving sure. Personally, I couldn't handle that as it's completely immersion breaking.
ChuckeRearmed
Member
Why didn't they use Dirt 4 engine?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Supposedly the EGO engine didn't have the chops to let them make bigger circuits.
The circuits may be bigger in this game, but so are the shortcomings.
Bad trade-off.
Lysandros
Member
They are trying to avoid side by side FPS comparisons as much as possible, there are exceptions of course like in Robocop city traversal and Alan Wake 2.
Edit: From the written article, we can indeed see XSX FPS line dropping to sub 50's towards the end:
Hard to talk about a consistent PS5 performance advantage based on the video analysis/or this however. Still, it is running at least as well as XSX while having a higher cost shadow setting.
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Elysium44
Banned
They found it stuttered or did sub 60fps at times even on an RTX 4090.
The problems seem too deep-rooted to completely solve and I doubt they ever will be.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Those two are examples where there are consistently long stretches of disparity, not momentary drops that are resolved 2 seconds later.
But you know that already.
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diffusionx
Gold Member
They own the EGO engine, just enhance it lmao
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Just restart after all the first laps. i would still not pay full price though.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Why spend man power to enhance an aging engine for a new generation when you can just throw Epic some licensing fee to rent Unreal Engine
