Support NeoGAF

[tusharngf]

A report by Chinese technology outlet, UDN, suggests that AMD's Zen 5 CPUs will be entering TSMC fabs in Q2 followed by mass production in Q3 2024.

AMD & TSMC Prepping Up Production Facilities For Next-Gen Zen 5 CPUs Based on 4nm & 3nm Nodes, Volume Production Reportedly In Q3 2024​

The Zen 5 CPU architecture is going to be a big deal for AMD in 2024 as it will power multiple lines of CPU families including Granite Ridge "Ryzen Desktop", Strix Point "Ryzen Mobile" & Turin "EPYC Server". All of these CPU families will play a major role and it looks like these chips are entering the TSMC fabs for production next quarter followed by volume production in Q3 2024, as reported by UDN.
The outlet also specifically points out the AMD Zen 5 "Nirvana" CPU core which is the standard Zen 5 architecture design while the "Prometheus" Zen 5C cores will aim the dense-compute segment in client and server chips. Interestingly, the Zen 5 "Nirvana" CCD is mentioned to be produced on the TSMC 3nm process node however we know from previous reports that Zen 5 will be using the 4nm node while Zen 5C will be made using the 3nm process.

It might be possible that UDN has confused the Zen 5C "Prometheus" core with Zen 5 "Nirvana". It was just last month when it was rumored that AMD's Zen 5 "Granite Ridge" CPUs had already entered the mass production stage though the company hasn't revealed anything about its next-gen desktop CPU plans at major events such as CES 2024. The only upcoming event that we can think of for an unveil would be Computex 2024 which will be held in June so that's still four months to go.

"
As AMD is actively planning to launch new product lines, TSMC will also begin preparations for mass production of AMD's new products this year. The legal person pointed out that among the AMD Zen 5 architecture platform, the most critical core computing chip is manufactured by TSMC using the 3nm process. In addition, the HPC platform MI300 series has been put into mass production using TSMC’s 4nm and 5nm processes. The order momentum continues unabated, and TSMC’s advanced process order momentum from Advanced Micro Devices this year is very strong.

Industry analysis shows that the mass production of the 3nm process will take a relatively long time. It is estimated that AMD's new 3nm process Zen 5 architecture platform will enter the wafer mass production stage around the second quarter. By then, the production capacity is expected to increase month by month.

via UDN"
Source: https://wccftech.com/amd-zen-5-cpus-reportedly-made-on-tsmc-3nm-process-q2-mass-production-q3-2024/

 

[Silver Wattle]

Really not interested in a 4nm variant for desktop.

 

[MikeM]

Meh. 7600x has been plenty of cpu for my 7900xt.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Likely powering nextbox

 

[IFireflyl]

Let me know when they go sub-atomic.

 

[twilo99]

Likely powering nextbox

Sweet music right there

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

Meh. 7600x has been plenty of cpu for my 7900xt.

It’s ok dude, nobody is telling you that you need to upgrade every year.

 

[GHG]

Likely powering nextbox

None of this has anything to do with consoles.

 

[Senua]

None of this has anything to do with consoles.

 

[MikeM]

It’s ok dude, nobody is telling you that you need to upgrade every year.

But my e-peen tho…

 

[Bernoulli]

Likely powering nextbox

Consoles use the mobile chips not desktop variants

 

[Loxus]

Consoles use the mobile chips not desktop variants

The Zen 5 CPU architecture is going to be a big deal for AMD in 2024 as it will power multiple lines of CPU families including Granite Ridge "Ryzen Desktop", Strix Point "Ryzen Mobile" & Turin "EPYC Server".

 Maybe I misunderstood that part of the Article?

 

[analog_future]

gimme that 9800x3d

 

[Topher]

Let me know when they go sub-atomic.

AMD Ryzen 12000x3D......

 

[Bernoulli]

The Zen 5 CPU architecture is going to be a big deal for AMD in 2024 as it will power multiple lines of CPU families including Granite Ridge "Ryzen Desktop", Strix Point "Ryzen Mobile" & Turin "EPYC Server".

 Maybe I misunderstood that part of the Article?

The problem is the mobile chip is always behind, they release 1 flagship Zen 5 cpu then all the rest are zen 4 zen 2 chips rebranded with a new name

 

[OverHeat]

 

[Loxus]

The problem is the mobile chip is always behind, they release 1 flagship Zen 5 cpu then all the rest are zen 4 zen 2 chips rebranded with a new name

The article also says Zen5 will power desktop, mobile and sever in 2024.

Also, the next Xbox isn't releasing in 2024.
A 2026 release can use Zen5, 2028 Zen6.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

But my e-peen tho…

Oh come on, there’s nothing wrong with feeling small, inadequate, and like your a disappointment. You really gonna upgrade your CPU just because of that?

 

[MikeM]

Oh come on, there’s nothing wrong with feeling small, inadequate, and like your a disappointment. You really gonna upgrade your CPU just because of that?

 

[Bernoulli]

The article also says Zen5 will power desktop, mobile and sever in 2024.

Also, the next Xbox isn't releasing in 2024.
A 2026 release can use Zen5, 2028 Zen6.

Even for 2025 they can jse Zen 5
But it depends if AMD has a real Zen 5 cpu or a rebranded Zen 4

 

[Loxus]

Even for 2025 they can jse Zen 5
But it depends if AMD has a real Zen 5 cpu or a rebranded Zen 4

AMD already has Zen5 Strix Point mobile APU shipping in 2024.

 

[ReBurn]

how many nanometers until skynet

 

[Bernoulli]

AMD already has Zen5 Strix Point mobile APU shipping in 2024.

That's the flagship for mobile
The problem is in previous year they make that flagship APU that is available months if not a year after the reveal and only found in few 2000+ laptops
Look at this mess

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

The article also says Zen5 will power desktop, mobile and sever in 2024.

Also, the next Xbox isn't releasing in 2024.
A 2026 release can use Zen5, 2028 Zen6.

If it even happens.
At this rate I doubt anything more than a cloud box and portable is coming.

 

[XesqueVara]

N3E is just for Turin-Dense the rest is N4p

 

[Slimboy Fat]

Isn't 4 and 3nm rather different with the former being derivative of 5nm? I was under the impression porting architectures between nodes was not so straightforward or economical.

 

[onnextflix5]

Steam deck 2 and Xboy in 2025 no doubt.

 

[SmokSmog]

Isn't 4 and 3nm rather different with the former being derivative of 5nm? I was under the impression porting architectures between nodes was not so straightforward or economical.

N4 is just N5++
N3 is a full new node

 

[Silver Wattle]

Isn't 4 and 3nm rather different with the former being derivative of 5nm? I was under the impression porting architectures between nodes was not so straightforward or economical.

4nm is just slightly improved 5nm, they named it 4nm to try and make it sound better than it actually is.
3nm is a decent step forward, hence why I have zero interest in a 4nm Zen 5, when we already have a 4nm Zen 4, the gains will be minimal.

 

[XesqueVara]

4nm is just slightly improved 5nm, they named it 4nm to try and make it sound better than it actually is.
3nm is a decent step forward, hence why I have zero interest in a 4nm Zen 5, when we already have a 4nm Zen 4, the gains will be minimal.

Zen 5's biggest change isn't node dependent, It's a new Core like Zen 3 was.

 

[SolidQ]

Zen5 Granite Ridge

 

[SHA]

What's zen 5c? that doesn't sound pleasing.

 

[mckmas8808]

So what is this?

 

[Dorfdad]

Likely powering nextbox

Problem for Microsoft is they need to develop in-house technologies like Sony are doing for a DLSS alternative. Relying on AMD to advance off the self stuff is a disaster waiting to happen. They are so far behind Nvidia and IM hearing really good things about PSSR.

 

[Gameplay Gods Bless]

Likely powering nextbox

I hope not. Put an ARM Neoverse V3 in the next Xbox instead. Go Tegra Thor ARM Neoverse V3 with an Nvidia Blackwell GPU.

This doing whatever AMD does has not done Xbox any good. In the end it makes the Xbox a less popular Playstation because Sony uses the same parts but is a more popular brand.

 

[Gameplay Gods Bless]

None of this has anything to do with consoles.

Sony and MS just use off the shelf AMD parts. The PS5 and Xbox use AMD Zen 2 from 2019, this is Zen 5.

 

[Gameplay Gods Bless]

The article also says Zen5 will power desktop, mobile and sever in 2024.

Also, the next Xbox isn't releasing in 2024.
A 2026 release can use Zen5, 2028 Zen6.

Zen 6 is due in 2026. Possible Zen 6 console is doable but it may not be ideal. Series X has an RDNA2 GPU which launched in November 2020.

 

[FireFly]

Sony and MS just use off the shelf AMD parts. The PS5 and Xbox use AMD Zen 2 from 2019, this is Zen 5.

They use off the shelf architectures, but the designs are semi-custom. You won't find a PS5/XSX APU on the PC.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

Likely powering nextbox

likely powering next everything

 

[Dorfdad]

I hope not. Put an ARM Neoverse V3 in the next Xbox instead. Go Tegra Thor ARM Neoverse V3 with an Nvidia Blackwell GPU.

This doing whatever AMD does has not done Xbox any good. In the end it makes the Xbox a less popular Playstation because Sony uses the same parts but is a more popular brand.

I too would like nvidia back in the console game it would elevate the consoles 2x IMHO however Nvidia really didn’t want to give Sony nor Microsoft any breaks in cost / customization where as AMD did and signed long term contracts.

 

[Insane Metal]

Please be good.

 

[SolidQ]

Please be good.

it's very good

 

[simpatico]

Can we revise the IHS tho?

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

What's zen 5c? that doesn't sound pleasing.

Just a more compact version that has the same architecture, but arranges the transistors more compactly and runs at a slower speed. It’s AMD’s answer to “big/little”

 

[winjer]

Can we revise the IHS tho?

I just wish that Intel and AMD would sell a version of their CPUS without the HIS.
Yes, there is a risk that it could break, if the user is not careful. But that is a risk, that enthusiasts would gladly take, to get better temperatures and OC.

 

[SHA]

Likely powering nextbox

Hopefully games will follow suit and not wasting the first years.

 

[DenchDeckard]

It's crazy that Lisa Su and Jensen are cousins.

 

[Windom Earle]

I will wait for AM6, no need to upgrade from 5800x3d

 

[simpatico]

I just wish that Intel and AMD would sell a version of their CPUS without the HIS.
Yes, there is a risk that it could break, if the user is not careful. But that is a risk, that enthusiasts would gladly take, to get better temperatures and OC.

I'd just be happy to pay an extra couple bucks for a copper IHS, maybe make it a little thinner. I think there's a middle ground between the chonk of aluminum they use now and going completely de lidded.

 

[Sanepar]

Still waiting for a decent upgrade of 2 digits in perf for 4k from my 12700k. Probably will need to wait 2 more years.